Leading through Chaos

About the show

The Pivot podcast provides lessons and stories from church leaders who are igniting imagination, creating collaborations, launching experiments, and dreaming of new possibilities for God’s church. It focuses on two questions: How might we use the uncertainty and disruption of this time to reimagine church, ministry, and leadership? And how might the Christian faith be a resource for making spiritual sense of current realities and leaning into the future that is emerging?


  • Episode 12: Reflections and Learning

    September 1st, 2020  |  Season 1  |  43 mins 5 secs
    christianity, church, community, coronavirus, leader, ministry, online ministry, pandemic, pastor, pivot

    As church leaders, the pandemic has been and is causing us to rethink so much. Reflect with us on these changes, specifically around community, capacity, and competency.

  • Episode 11: Promising Innovation

    August 25th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  34 mins 26 secs
    christian innovation, christianity, church innovation, coronavirus, leadership, ministry, pastor, pivot

    Christian innovation is different than secular innovation, but what makes it unique?

  • Episode 10: Creating Conditions

    August 18th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  36 mins 55 secs

    Like the times our GPS isn't able to reroute us, the things we were doing before are no longer working. Where is the church going now? For more, listen to this conversation about creating conditions.

  • Episode 9: Permanent Whitewater

    August 4th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  30 mins 43 secs
    christianity, church, complexity, leadership, mind traps, ministry, pastor, thrive

    Leading right now is like navigating through relentless whitewater rapids. If you are questioning everything right now, you are not alone.

  • Episode 8: Our New Home

    July 28th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  24 mins 37 secs
    christianity, church, coronavirus, leadership, ministry, pastor, schedules

    It's time to begin to build sustainable patterns for this time we are living in.

  • Episode 7: Exhausted in the Wilderness

    July 21st, 2020  |  Season 1  |  20 mins 41 secs
    christianity, church, clergy, coronavirus, exhaustion, fatigue, pastor, rest, sabbath

    Pastors and church leaders are experiencing fatigue and exhaustion. Join us for a conversation on the realities facing pastors now.

  • Episode 6: Love Your Neighbor Part 2

    July 16th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  32 mins 2 secs
    christianity, community, leadership, love, neighbors

    A continuing conversation about loving our neighbors in online community.

  • Episode 5: Love Your Neighbor Part 1

    June 30th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  24 mins 9 secs
    christianity, love your neighbor, neighbor, online community

    Who is your neighbor on Zoom? When community includes online spaces, we are called to love our neighbors in both familiar and new ways.

  • Episode 4: Community

    June 16th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  23 mins 35 secs
    christian community, church, community, online church, pastoral leadership

    Community, whether online or in-person, is all about engagement. Real community is also about communication and vulnerability. Let's imagine what that can look like.

  • Episode 3: Lament

    June 9th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  23 mins 5 secs

    Lament is a language that changes how we communicate with God. Lament powerfully expresses complex feelings and situations. 

  • Episode 2a: Loss and George Floyd

    June 5th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  25 mins 44 secs

    There are many responses to loss. The killing of George Floyd includes grief that expresses itself in acts like protesting, giving, and listening. In the middle of loss, what can we do to address racism?

  • Episode 2: Loss

    June 2nd, 2020  |  Season 1  |  23 mins 37 secs

    The basic contours of what it means to do ministry are gone. Our congregations miss much of community life. How do we engage the various layers of loss. 

  • Episode 1: Pivot

    May 27th, 2020  |  Season 1  |  20 mins 58 secs

    What does it mean to pivot? How can Christian leaders help their congregations and organizations respond to times of chaos and crisis–faithfully and effectively?